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Why I Love Rob Zombie’s Halloween II in the Face of Adversity

rob_zombie_s_halloween_ii_poster_[Editor's Note: Last week, I ran a piece in defense of 2009's Friday the 13th reboot. It was just one of many new editorials I'm happy to be posting here at Shock under our new push to really separate us from derivative cycle of news. You want more meat to chew on and we're trying to respond. That said, contributing writer Christopher Jimenez handed over this piece and I'm pleased to say that it falls directly in line with what we're trying to do this year - offer something to think about and provoke conversation. Read on!  - Ryan]

I was recently asked which of Rob Zombie’s films I like the most in spite of itself. I answered Halloween II and all I got was silence. The needle skipped, jaws dropped and heads turned. It was quite a surprise that I would name that film, so I proceeded to defend my choice. I can see that you have a similar look on your face so let me explain.

Yes. When I saw Rob Zombie’s Halloween II in the theater, I was mad. I felt it was incoherent, incomplete and self-indulgent. When it came out on blu-ray as a Director’s Cut, I, of course, picked it up because I’m a completest (for the most part). As I watched the film I found that I was really enjoying it and the places it took me. Why? Then it hit me. I was watching the film on its own terms not mine. I often preach that you need to watch a film for what it’s trying to be, not what you want it to be. Yet, I found that I was doing that the first time out. Halloween’s second half was faithful to the original in structure and that was comforting to me. This one was its own thing completely and I was in the wrong headspace. Now, I look at it from a completely different perspective and am very pleased with what I have in front of me.

The film opens with a nod to Rick Rosenthal's Halloween II by taking place in a hospital before Lori wakes up and we realize that it’s all a dream/partial memory. Lori has turned into a very damaged girl who is angry at the world and is scarred inside and out. The same goes for Annie. These girls lived through something traumatic and it shows. They are broken young women and there may never be hope for them to return to normalcy. The same goes for Doctor Loomis. Caught up in the fame of the book and the reality TV culture that we live in, he is a very different animal than Donald Pleasence. Finally, we have Michael Myers himself, who has become a dirty drifter.

Okay, this is not John Carpenter’s Halloween that we grew up on but that’s just it. It’s not Carpenter's vision. This is Rob Zombie’s world and it’s going to be different. It’s far more reality-based. Like any director, it’s made up in the image of the world he knows. This is who these people would be in the real world. If you think about it, even Jamie Lee Curtis’s Laurie Strode ended up an alcoholic in an insane asylum so let’s just walk away from that argument right now.

Michael MyersThose angry at the interpretation of Loomis believe this was flat-out character assassination. On the surface it may seem so, but again, I say: Look at how this would play out in today’s society. It’s so easy to get sucked into fame and self-importance. Loomis becomes a greedy man that must find redemption. He is more than an obsessed and slightly crazy vigilante psychiatrist.

And finally, we have Michael. What happens to you when you are a 7’ hulk with no family, whose home has turned into a media circus headquarters in the most sensational massacre in town history? You wander. You scavenge. Eventually you can lose it and become lost in your own delusions. For Michael, it is his mother. They only woman who he ever felt a connection to and the only person to ever show him the love he felt he deserved. It makes since for him to talk to his mother in this version and to want to kill Laurie. He wants her to be part of the family he has in his head: Mother, his childhood self, and Laurie – the perfect family structure that he never had.

Also, great was the overall aesthetic of the film. It screams Halloween in a way that no other film really has. It celebrates the visuals of the holiday and it does so in grand style. You can’t fault it for loving the holiday. Now, for all the good in the film when taken on its own, there are missteps. Is there too much Sheri? Yes. The climax in the barn with her present is confusing. She and young Michael are in the barn with adult Michael and Laurie, talking. I feel that their image should have disappeared the moment the helicopters showed up and reality came crashing in. Instead, they react to it, their hair blowing in the wind. This is a bit confusing at first, but it was the director’s choice.  I disagree with it, but it’s not my film. Actually, the over-use of Mother Myers is probably my biggest complaint. It seemed like a gimmick and it seemed forced. That being said, there is a lot more good than bad. For those who want to maintain that Zombie himself hates this film and that’s a good reason that the rest of us should, let me remind you of a man named George Lucas who hates his original films, too.

halloween 2I digress, but you get my point. These are not John Carpenter’s characters and were never meant to be. They are the product of a different generation, different ideas and different consequences. This is a film where everyone dies at the end. I know it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation when it comes to remakes, but let’s face it: Halloween's reviews were atrocious at the time of its release and Halloween II’s were just as bad if not worse.

So, after I made my points, we had our drinks and the night went on with a better understanding of why I love the film. I don’t know if any minds were changed, but I know that there was a better understanding of the film was trying to do and say.

Watch it again on its own terms and its own merits. After nine sequels of Michael coming to town on Halloween and killing teenagers having sex and being the tool of an ancient cult, is this film really as bad as you initially thought? You don’t have to agree with me, but tell me what you think.

Has your evaluation changed over time?

  • Julio Mendoza

    I watched it again on its own merits and it sucks

    • Sinful Celluloid

      What was it that you didn’t like? Pacing, characters? Just curious. Thanks.

      • zero2815

        Mostly the whole thing but definitely ending. The movie has no good parts other than maybe the hospital dream. I really like his other movies but this one was a major bummer.

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      • M M

        Pretty much everything after she wakes up from her dream. The writing is still awful, his wife still can’t act, the white horse metaphor was terrible and absolutely slammed down the viewers throats, I get going for a realistic outcome but it was just awful. I felt like the film just didn’t know what it wanted to be or where it wanted to go so it just meandered. Loonies was indeed terrible, Lori’s descent was weak and forced, and the ending was just kinda limp.

        And I really can’t emphasize just how awful how wife and the white horse were. The first was a better film overall.

        Personally I would out salem at the top of his movies. It was certainly his most mature and an actual attempt at a legitimate “film”.

        • Sinful Celluloid

          Interesting choice for his best as most people say The Devil’s Rejects. Bravo sir.

    • Brian Collins

      Most internet answer of all time.

      • Sinful Celluloid

        I was going for that Brian. Ha.

        • RTurek

          I don’t think Brian was talking about you, Chris.

          • Sinful Celluloid

            Ah. Haha.

    • Guest

      @Julio Mendoza I’m with you.

    • Guest

      @disqus_xCZXvJ5deX:disqus I agree with you.

  • shutcheson

    I really like Halloween 2. Its a lot better than Rob Zombie’s Halloween because it is a Rob Zombie movie and not trying to redo something that has already be done. It sets itself apart. To me its like Batman. The character has been around since 1939. If you keep doing the same thing over and over the character would become stale and they would cancel the book. In fact in the 70′s they almost did until Neal Adams and Denny O Neil took it over and took a FRESH approach. Or someone like Frank Miller steps in and does something different. Say what you want to about Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2 but at least it was something different and not the same tired Halloween movie.

    • Joe M.

      Yeah, but different isn’t always good. most certainly not in RZ’s case/ Just look at the Halloween comics by Stef Hutchinson… he brought back The Shape (as Michael should be) and it turned out excellent. Sure, Michael was in his classic form, but the story surrounding him was Stef’s own creation. But it stayed TRUE to the character and the original franchise. They need to go back to that. Bring back the classic Michael. Quit trying to change him or modernize him. He doesn’t need it. Just give me a fresh story with classic Michael and I’ll be happy as a pig in s**t

      • shutcheson

        I agree different isn’t always better. But you are 9 movies in at this point. When you think about it he was the Shape in one movie. Then he became a brother, then an uncle, then a druid, then a brother again. Then he fought Busta Rhymes. I remember when I heard Rob Zombie was doing a remake I was not excited because I prefer him doing his own movies. But I was also interested to see what he would do with the characters. I always think about it like this: Nothing any one does will erase the other movies. So if someone comes in with a different spin on it I say why not. Something great might come out of it. But it will never please everyone.

    • ariessiren

      I completely agree. I do prefer the theatrical cut vs the director’s cut. but I love the character development and the rawness.

  • Tim Gosnell

    I very much enjoyed this movie after rewatching it. He tried..way too hard…to copy the original yet mix in his own ideas in part one and IMO failed. This is a true reimagining of Halloween.

  • Spencer Bila

    LOVE this review. It solidifies the confusion I had with it my first viewing. I felt the same as you did after I saw it opening day in the theater. I was expecting it to be something that it just wasn’t. My expectations were just that, MY expectations (and I’m sure others were close in range). It just broke so far off of the reboot/re-imagining/remake that his first HALLOWEEN was. It threw us for a loop. I agree with you that there was TOO MUCH Sheri Moon. Girl, get outta here! But it’s all about appreciating it for what the vision was. He gets an A+ for that.

  • Santos

    I loved this movie for what it was and I completely agree with every aspect of this review. he first 20 minutes or so that takes place in the hospital are some of the best scenes in Halloween movie history. Totally intense, very suspenseful, and genuinely creepy. I really wish it wasn’t just a dream! I also wish they would’ve shown a bit less of both HoboMyers and Michael’s mom. Like the scene where he runs into the rednecks and eats the dog, not really necessary. The bizarre/insane visions Laurie was having in her bathroom were absolutely beautifully shot. They were incredible. The entire movie was beautifully shot. It really felt like the entire thing was filmed in the Autumn season of Haddonfield, Illinois. It looks even better on BluRay.

  • RTurek

    Yes, Chris pretty much sums it up for me here. Upon first viewing, I was like, “What the hell is this?” but upon revisiting it on Blu-ray, I saw a different film and intent. I appreciate it, however weird the movie may be.

  • T.S. Thrasher

    I can really appreciate Rob Zombie and what he DOES do which far out weighs what he does not do.
    On a quick side bar my favorite flick of his a tie between The Devil’s Rejects, and the original Halloween.
    When I originally watched Halloween 2 I was very, very upset. To begin with, I don’t know if it was the theater or the movie (Rob Zombie had fired his original Director of Photography because they were constantly arguing and he wanted all the night scenes to be darker, no Darker, NO. DARKER!) So in the beginning I had a hard time actually ‘seeing’ the movie.
    I understand that naturally it would be pitch black out on that road, with the cow at the beginning, but I saw the work done for the paramedics mutilated face (the driver) and it was great stuff. Just passed by quick little whip pan to the passenger… who just kept repeating f*ck… for like a minute… ????? I get that he was in pain but I didn’t really understand what he was doing… like specifically… I don’t know.
    From there the opening dream sequence was an utter disappointment, and an utter waste of time. I understand the metaphors of the dream. I do. I get what it was going for, but the set pieces, and all the action pieces that happened that ‘formed’ the metaphors of the sequence could still be there had it happened in REALITY. For me, once Laurie woke up, THEN the movie actually started.
    From there I don’t quite understand why Michael killed everyone at the strip club.
    Loomis’ book signing was a complete waste of time, I get it, he’s full of himself, but since it persisted throughout the film it made him completely unlikable, and annoying. I like the Ahab Moby Dick relationship of the originals. Sue me. Halloween 2 was not Dr. Loomis. I get the angle Zombie was going for, but it made Loomis one dimensional, unlikeable, annoying, boring to watch… the old Loomis was always on the hunt, going into the Lion’s den. This Loomis wants sizzling hot tea. That just sucks, time won’t fix that.
    Margot Kidler came and went didn’t she? She should’ve bumped heads with Loomis, missed opportunity that I waited for…
    The Dinner Dream sequence, with the Royal like figures and the deformed pumpkin heads… and the white horse.
    OK. I watched the DVD commentary waiting for some grand explanation. Here it was: (paraphrasing)
    Rob Zombie: ‘So I was driving to the set one day in Georgia and on the way there I saw these beautiful white horses and I thought, ‘hey, I should put a white horse in the movie, so I did and I wrote this little opening title card… gave some fake name of some fake dream book, and there ya go… ya know? thought it worked for the film and for Michael’s image’
    …It hurt my face, I got a nose bleed. I think that ‘explanation’ gave me a tumor. Same thing with the dinner sequence he said he just wanted some funky dream. Didn’t mean anything. None of it did. He just thought it looked cool. Looked like something Michael would dream. No symbolism. No allusions. Hollow.
    So this is declaration of laziness and a complete missed opportunity to actually explore and think about, what WOULD Michael dream?
    The Halloween from the first film, that night Michael kills the paramedics and escapes…what did he do the following Halloween…? Why didn’t Zombie take the 15 minutes he used for the opening DREAM sequence to instead show a real MIND F*CK sequence of Laurie waiting for Michael the following Halloween AFTER his ‘body disappeared’ and then, he just– doesn’t show…
    That would make everyone’s mellow take on Halloween seem more reasonable. Cause again. Missing body. Dead paramedics… etc. People should be a little more nervous, at least Laurie, Annie, and ESPECIALLY BRACKETT! (I’m sure he kept the forensic reports a secret from the media that one paramedic was decapitated by a piece of glass, so he would definitely KNOW Michael was probably still alive, also he therefore kept vital public safety knowledge a secret, so possibly crowd reaction that was missed there too…)
    So if you take out all of the admittedly meaningless images of the dream sequences, (keep the moments with dialogue) and shave off the first dream sequence with Laurie the movie is about an hour and ten minutes.
    One more thing…
    This may be sick of me, but I also wanted to know why Annie was naked at the end of the movie. She was in a bath robe before and then Laurie finds her completely naked. They never implied rape, but, maybe… I mean, she’s the ONLY person he has left alive, besides Loomis in the first one. Always made me think he was a little sweet on her or maybe I’m reading to much into it.
    With all of that said I do really enjoy several parts of the film. Enough so that its not my least favorite in the series.
    After watching it later and directly following a viewing of Zombie’s first Halloween, it should have been Halloween Part 2, instead of Halloween 2.
    It very much was Laurie story, and I appreciated the attention the character got vs. what she got in the original. Some people don’t like the original sequel but the almost vacant hospital to me is so creepy, the atmosphere is just ominous, and what’s worse than being at the hospital thinking Michael could be around?
    I liked very much that Annie survived and that her and Laurie had visible scars, really helped to add weight to their emotional struggle. Another aspect of the Halloween franchise I enjoy, continuation of characters, continuity of the characters… I’m OCD so its awesome.
    The bloody mask look at the beginning was great. Every time Michael is onscreen in the sequel or the orginal, you could pause the film and that still image could be a poster. That fact, is the proof that Zombie successfully maintained Michael’s iconic appearance and that Tyler Mane was a great choice for appearance’s sake.
    The growling intensified Michael. I wish it had been in the first one, but I like to excuse by saying that in this one Michael is much, much more pissed off. Plus, that was Laurie dream, so for Michael to have been exaggerated ever so slightly (not that, for her, he NEEDED much exaggeration) is understandable but you have to think about it to make it excusable. So that succeeds as much as fails.
    The kills were very brutal, which is what Zombie was going for; murder is ugly. You didn’t root for these kills, you cringed at them. Had this been a Jason film, we would have been smiling at the brutality, Freddy, we would have laughed at the jokes and puns. In this film I even felt bad for the creepy paramedic whom all I knew about him was that he was considering having sex with a corpse. But I wasn’t happy to see this ‘unlikeable’ character die. Cause it looked like it hurt, it sounded like it hurt, and that’s all I was thinking about.
    Til the horse happened… then I was just confused and annoyed and praying Michael wasn’t about to bareback mount that stupid thing… oh god if he had got on that horse… … whew!
    I watched test footage of Michael walking through the woods in the original coveralls from the first film with the mask. It didn’t look right. There were all kinds of different combos they tried, drifter look with mask, without, old school look… What they went with looked the best, so take it or leave it.

  • Cameron Fraser

    I probably rank this film second only to the John Carpenter’s original in the entire series. I like the original Halloween 2 but it’s wildly overrated and more than a bit dull.

  • Lisa Skeen Rhodes

    I like both of Rob Zombie’s Halloween movies. As for Halloween II – I liked it from the beginning for the reasons you have already mentioned. It was not a re-make, but it’s own film. I can see how in today’s world these two girls would be scarred and when she finds out Michael is her brother she is pissed!! I think the characters were well written. I liked the mother with the white horse for symbolism. I do think some parts with the mother were overdone and not needed. I l think this movie is much better than some of the sequels released over the years,

  • TheTwoJakes

    Here’s the thing….I own all the Halloween movie’s, watch them over and over again ( especially in October ) however Rob Zombie’s versions never seem to make it to my player and here’s why. I want to love them, I want to watch them over and over again and think there’s a lot of talent behind and in front of the camera but the final product of both his movie’s is an endurance test, not enjoyable movies. But I have come to the realization that this new generation of horror movies lovers are so desensitized that you have to have Micheal Myers stab or bludgeon a victim 100 times to get any sort of reaction. I love my gore, trust me, but I like a little more suspense to go with my guts. So to end any confusion of this rant I will zero it down to the topic at hand….I have tried to get through this movie for a complete second viewing just and just can’t do it. But do I hate it? No. Is it a terrible movie? No. Do I enjoy it? No. But I’m not hurt by it, and don’t slam it for being made, it’s just not going into my DVD player anytime soon.

    • Sinful Celluloid

      I can totally appreciate that. I have movies that I own and still cannot get through though I feel I should. Sometimes a film no matter what it is, will never speak to you.

  • Austin

    This has got to be one of the worst movies of all time and for someone to make an article saying they love it is mind blowing to me….

    • Sinful Celluloid

      I do say why I love it. Why do you think its one of the worst? Just wondering.

      • Austin

        Well i LOVE the original and i actually kinda liked rob zombie’s remake but his sequel just ruined what he did in the first. I could go on all day how i hated this movie but i wont…And if people like this movie then thats cool, i’m just surprised. I just really couldn’t find anything good about this movie…except for the first 10-15 min(hospital scene).

        • Sinful Celluloid

          I can totally respect that. I appreciate that you have reasons other than “I sucks!”. I caught a loy of flack for hating VHS 2 last year but I really could find anything in it for me.

          • K. Lee Adams

            Perfect example! I enjoyed VHS 2 but I’m not going to be a jerk to you for not liking it.

          • Sinful Celluloid

            Thank you. Yeah I’m in the minority with that one. Also in the minority with my love of Frankenstein’s Army.

    • K. Lee Adams

      I agree it’s one of the worst movies ever but I respect that the writer loves it.

      • Fan4theMovies

        Sometimes that’s the more important thing, that you have your opinion but you have a sense of respect for another persons opinion. Kudos to you. I’m sure everyone has that one guilty pleasure when it comes to movies. A movie that you tend to really like or love, but it may not mesh with the majority of population. I think that’s the great thing about movies is that it give/or doesn’t give, that something to each individual. I think if we all like the same thing I think it would get kind of stale and boring. Sadly too many times we jump all over someone because they see something in a different light than we do and it hinders intelligent discussion. As long as a person can rightfully explain why to do love something (such as this article) or why they do not love something, it all works out for the better.

  • K. Lee Adams

    I watched this recently and for me, this movie is worse than I initially thought it was. For me the only good things in this movie are the opening hospital sequence (which is then ruined when revealed to be a dream), a few of the kills and the cinematography. Other than that it’s atrocious, from unsympathetic characters to a Tim Burton rip-off ghost mom and a white horse (wtf?). I can understand and respect that others like that this is an original entry in the franchise, unlike any previous Halloween film. But that doesn’t make it good for me. Zombie seriously can’t make up his mind whether or not Michael’s condition is supernatural or psychological which causes a number of problems in both his films. So many people say his films are more realistic and they’re not. I wrote an article on MoviePilot about that very topic. I’ve been saying for a while that they should just go meta Scream style and make a new movie that opens with the ending of Zombie’s H2, then pulls back to reveal that we’re in a theater and Zombie’s Halloween movies were indeed just movies and take Michael back to his roots. Even though I said on Ryan’s Friday reboot post that I didn’t love that movie it really bewilders me that a lot of people have such a problem with Jason taking a prisoner but not many seem to mind what Zombie has done to Michael. That said, I don’t want anyone to think I’m bashing them for liking this film because I’m not at all. I’m just saying why I don’t. Ultimately I’m glad that people who love this movie have it. I’m not the type to say someone’s stupid for liking something that I don’t and tell them they have no taste. I’ll simply say that Zombie’s Halloween films just weren’t made for me and his Michael (a kid with a bad childhood who became a killer, making him just another psycho in a mask) is not MY Michael (the original Boogeyman, the force of evil who feels nothing, certainly not any kind of love for his younger sister). I’ll stick with the original until they do something with this character that I can get behind. To end I’ll say to Christopher Jimenez that even though I don’t agree with you at all I respect that you dig this movie and your article was well written.

    • Sinful Celluloid

      I agree with your points and thank you for the compliments as well. The movie is definitely not for everyone and I can understand that he is not Your Michael (Its how I feel about Star Wars these days). Thank you for taking the time to let us in on your thoughts. You can disagree with me anytime. Ha.

      • K. Lee Adams

        Haha, you’re welcome. As I said no disrespect to you or any other fans of this movie at all. Different things work for different people. I like the new Evil Dead but a lot of other people hate it. Just curious do you like the old Halloween films, too?

        • Sinful Celluloid

          Oh absolutely. Love the original and enjoy most of the sequels in one form or another. There are movies I will never accept of course, like Halloween Resurrection. :)

          • K. Lee Adams

            Resurrection is indeed atrocious! I used to love Part 6 until I realized Michael is supposed to have fathered a child with his own niece. That was beyond stupid. After the original I really love Part 4. Other than a mask that looked more Michael Jackson than Michael Myers I think it’s a really strong sequel, from the characters to the pace and the atmosphere. And the shotgun impalement!

  • Troy Anthony Daniels

    I didn’t think it was as good as the zombies first halloween but I appreciated it for being unique and for what it was. I felt like Sheri was given too much face time in the movie only because she’s zombies wife. Scout-Taylor Compton was great though. It was pretty good overall, but like I said too much Sheri and it kind of lost its flow and intensity as the movie went on. Still own it and don’t regret the purchase.

    • Sinful Celluloid

      Yeah I agree with the too much Sherri thing. It certainly has it;s flaws like any film does,

  • Danny Cribb

    It just lacked the fundamentals of what i enjoyed about the halloween franchise ie halloween theme song as he crept around was missing, the mask or lack of, the fact he spoke. Was just abit to dreamy for my liking especially the white horse crap. Loved robs halloween 1 tho just think he trys to hard to put his wife in every movie he makes.just saying

    • Fan4theMovies

      I don’t think he actual speaks in the film. I think it’s more of a grunt, which can still be considered out of character in relation to the original since it was never done before. Although, it’s explainable when your getting shot up. I understand where your coming from, sometimes the remake/reboots just don’t work for the originals fans. Also, about his wife being in all his movies, I don’t think she worked out as well in this movie. I think she works pretty well in House of 1000′s Corpses, Devil’s Rejects, and Halloween 1, but in them one it seemed too forced. I don’t think she a horrible actress like some, but I think she works better in some roles and plots than others. The white horse thing was very confusing to me so i can see what you mean.

  • WOLF

    I couldn’t believe what I was watching. An incredible train wreck. I don’t care what zombie changes if it’s a good movie. I wanted to kill Laurie. Horrible annoying performance. You can recreate loomis. But his character was ridiculous and really could have been cut from the film. His wife and the horse? Why not stand in front of the camera and piss on it. Michaels extra brutality made the audience laugh. The sheriffs house was hilarious. Hospital scene was too long to end up being a pointless dream. Fans say people hate it because it’s not Halloween. While I’m not a fan of taking a franchise and removing everything fans love about it, this movie is god awful on every level. If it wasn’t called Halloween, my opinion wouldn’t change.

  • art123guy

    If someone on this site writes an article defending or proclaiming love for the Nightmare on Elm Street remake, I’ll never trust this site again.

    • Shawn Savage

      Cause different opinions are an awful things. We should all like the very same things for the very same reason. That’s the awesome way. For the record, I am no fan of the NOES remake, I just think your comment is worse than that movie could ever be.

      • art123guy

        It’s called sarcasm. Look it up when you get a chance. (I’d still come to the site if that article was written.)

        I agree everyone should have their own opinion. I liked the Friday remake and understood/agreed with why it was defended. I didn’t like Zombie’s Halloween, but I get how/why it was defended. It’s relly hard to find anything to defend in the Nightmare remake.The ONLY interesting thing about it was how, in my eyes, they tried to explain where Emo’s came from. Unfortunately, the writers didn’t take into account that no one cares if an Emo gets hacked up on screen.

        Lastly, if you REALLY think my comment is worse than the movie, I think you should get off the internet right away because there’s far worse things out there and I wouldn’t want you to get hurt. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

        • Shawn Savage

          Well, if that’s sarcasm, you’re doing it wrong, homie. I’ll take it easy on you, though, because you liked the F13th remake.

  • http://batman-news.com aaron

    when i saw this in theatres my girlfriend and i looked at each other a few times with a are you serious look on our faces and we were ready to leave. so i hated it. but being a completionist i bought the blu ray and made myself rewatch it. i shocked myself for how much i liked it the second time. going into the movie i thought it would be another michael myers movie. upon second viewing its not that at all. its a movie entirely about laurie and her downward spiral. take michael out of the equation because the movie doesnt center around him like all the others, part 3 excluded. to me this was almost a High Tension type of movie where you think the killing is happening and the main character is being chased by a killer but its really her own inner demons, nothing is happening in true reality. i just pretend laurie is that nuts that she thinks this stuff is happening when its really not, hence why shes in the mental ward at the end. it explains why michael is slightly out of character and the weird dream sequences. i know zombie didnt intend this and you shouldnt have to make your own directorial decisions to enjoy a movie but once i did i really learned to like it. its not the best movie of all time but its not as bad as everyone else makes it out to be either.

  • Sinful Celluloid

    A question for all: Sheri”s presence seems to be the main problem most have. Would you say that definitely tainted your view going in?

    • Santos

      I think a little less Sheri would’ve been best for the movie, with that being said, it didn’t taint my view of the movie. I liked it the very first time I saw it. I watch movies on their own merits knowing it isn’t possible to compare it to anything. Seeing a remake solely to expect seeing the original is unfair to everyone involved in the making of the movie.

    • Fan4theMovies

      I don’t think it was a problem per say, but I do think that it does tend to be confusing. I don’t hate it, but I think it something that could have dialed back a little. I think it’s an interesting concept and could work well, but I don’t think it was utilized it the best way.

    • shutcheson

      Little Michael bothered me more than Sheri.

  • Fan4theMovies

    I think in many cases we as the viewers can’t grasp the entirety of a movie on one watch alone. I think that horror movies are a prime example for this. I know for me that when it comes to the world of horror if a movie gets me to watch it a second or more times it’s a win in my book. So many movies are good for a once view kind of experience. Luckily for RZ Halloween 2 I re-watched it a second time. It was alright the first time around, but it didn’t really grab me until the second go around. It came off as being a better film after watching it again, which I’m glad for.. I think it’s a good movie, but for me it doesn’t eclipse the first one for me. I know he was kind of hindered with the first one, but I believe he put a lot into it and something great came out. Both iterations were good movies IMO and some that I will re watch many years from now. I think if more people tried to see this as a new imagining from a different director instead of a rehash of an original more people could appreciate it a bit more, but to each their own.

  • Jared Rivet

    Christopher, you should take a look at Lynch’s TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME. There are a lot of overt similarities between FWWM and H2 all over the place (FWWM even has visions of a white horse!), but the clincher is really in the final scene in FWWM the train car. If you were wondering about the inexplicable choices Zombie made in the finale of H2, watch the ending of FWWM, I’ve always seen that film as Zombie’s primary inspiration.

    • Sinful Celluloid

      Hey Jared. I am a big David Lynch /Twin Peaks nerd., I’m going to have to grab a bottle of rum and watch those back to back that sounds really really interesting. I’m on board buddy, you sold me.

  • Brad Gordon

    I saw the film for the first time when it came to DVD, I was not sure about it, I loved the first part when Michael stalked Laurie through the hospital, it was well done scene, when Laurie woke up from her nightmare I felt kind of lost and did not really understand so i had to watch it again and I started to understand the 2nd time around, yes it puts the situation into more of a reality state and Michael was just a insane person wandering and not the pure evil monster that he was portrayed as in the original and it made alot of sense really. I do have the DVD on my library, I do not think the movie was bad, it was not the greatest but it was not bad, the ending is what bothers me but I respect Rob Zombie in his efforts at making his version what he thought it should have been and I applaud his efforts.

  • Brad Gordon

    I forgot to mention that I liked his first Halloween, it will fall in to the classic section before you know it. I liked what he did with it, to me he made it scary again where the sequels to the original made it boring to watch, I thought Rob did a great job at rebooting the film.

  • Juan Asilo

    i made the review of this, back when i had my blog.
    it was a mix up beetween the art style, and the story.
    cause i did love the scene of the white horse subject
    it felt like zombie wanted to do he’s own lovecraft thing
    which was neat. but not well executed. then theres
    the ending that really confuse me, i understanted, michael wanted
    to lori to follow hes psychotic steps. but how zombie did it didnt make sense.
    i mean in horror theres no sense on everything. exemple Patrick the 1978 ozi film, how he got those telepathy power, they never say, for me hes a mutant.
    but ye understand my thing. so bottomline i really had hope for the follow up, only coming out confuse, cause there re some metaphor that forgot to mention
    but i think i should have read some lovecraft thing to explain it better.
    so yeah those re my thought on the film. but i agrred what jimenez wrote
    about this film is made by new generation, they trying some new stuff, and experimenting too. is just shame they couldn pull it off. not even cronoberg would it save it.

    • Juan Asilo

      oh yeah it was 6th sense and was telekinesis
      on the patrick part just to point out.

  • James P Grant

    I thought there were a few good scenes in H2,i liked the RZ H1 as-well,it showed how MM became what he did,and it made sense to his madness,i thought that was well put together by RZ.One thing that i respect is we saw a RZ version of the story,and like it said it was a re imagining not a remake.Finally the one film that is absolutely tailor made for a re imagining is Halloween 3 Season of the Witch.I think the premise of that film was brilliant,and a reboot about a film that deals with the season of Halloween,at least it would be something new

    • K. Lee Adams

      I’m not a fan of Halloween 3 but I do think the idea is ripe to be redone in a new film but I’d leave off the Halloween title and give it a new one (since now there are a few movies called Season of the Witch).

      • James P Grant

        Totally agree with you,there’s so much that can be done with the idea of the film

  • James P Grant

    Ha Ha i think it was meant to do that

    • K. Lee Adams

      I think you’re right :)

  • Sinful Celluloid

    What about a death metal version of that song? How about that?

    • K. Lee Adams

      Like having The Black Dahlia Murder cover it? I’ll take it! That or a metalcore version. As long as it’s heavy it’d be a lot more bearable than the original version.

      • Sinful Celluloid

        I’ll get Danzig to do it.

        • K. Lee Adams

          I nominate Memphis May Fire. We’ll have two versions in the movie.

  • Tyrannosaurus Ren

    I really enjoyed H2. The first film had already forced me to accept that what I was watching was taking place in Rob Zombie’s universe and not John Carpenter’s, so I had no expectations that this entry would stay true to the 1981 sequel or previously established characters. It’s definitely different, but I can enjoy these movies without judging them by the originals. I only have two gripes with H2. The first, as you mentioned above, being that there is too much of Michael’s mom. I think most viewers share that complaint and feel that it was just Zombie’s excuse to include his wife again. In fact, the visions were pretty unnecessary for the most part and definitely confusing at times. My second gripe is with the final note of the film. Laurie sitting alone in an insane asylum, grinning at the audience felt like such a cliche ending, and I thought her character deserved a different fate. Not a happy ending, just something else. My favorite scene would have to be when Sheriff Brackett finds his daughter dead. Brad Dourif’s acting in that moment seems so incredibly genuine. Gripes aside, H2 was good, dark fun. It was the first movie I ever saw in theaters with my ex-girlfriend. I’m positive it was not her cup of tea, but she tried her best to convince me she liked it. That relationship spanned several years, and was my longest to date, so I don’t think I’ll ever be able to forget this film as long as I live. Good times.

  • Fan4theMovies

    Sadly so much of the internet is used to spread hateful talk. You see it on most any forum you might visit. Instead of Horror fans being just that, Horror fans, they want to segregate people up into movie camps and think that only people with the same view on a movie are useful. We all need some lessons in respect and how to respect others when it comes to view about things.

    Is it just Zombie’s Halloween that you don’t prefer or is it all of his movies? I myself didn’t hate the Paranormal Activity movie, but they are a One Watch kind of movie. After watching it the first time the suspense and fright quickly disappear. So the re-watch value is pretty low on them IMO.

    • K. Lee Adams

      Well, I can’t honestly say I like any of Zombie’s films. I think there’s a lot of good ideas in his work, they just aren’t executed well in my opinion. I’ve often said he’s a good director but not a very good writer, particularly his characters and dialogue. If he’d direct a script written by someone else I’d be very interested to see that. I will hail the visuals of Lords of Salem, it was a beautifully shot film but the narrative didn’t work for me at all. As far as Paranormal goes I can watch the third one and enjoy it but the rest just bored me so much. No disrespect to the PA fans out there, but those movies just don’t do anything for me. And your comments about the net are so true. It’s nice to find others who aren’t into disrespecting people and spreading negativity just because of differences in opinion. :)

  • Richard Jackson

    I thought this was utter garbage. I would have liked it if he didn’t put his wife in it as some sort of stupid ghost. Her part ruined the movie for me. She just can’t act and she looked ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ariessiren

    I absolutely love Halloween 2 I thought it was hardcore, way more realistic and definitely darker.

  • Kim Wallace

    I loved halloween 2, thought it was great that he made it on his terms. I never understood why people hated it so much. A re-make doesnt mean it has to follow the original. I honestly wish he would make halloween 3 to continue the story where he left off!

  • Johnn Veins

    Zombie’s Halloween II was always my favorite… knew I was watching greatness in the theater.

  • Big V

    You lost me when you said Halloween 2 was far more reality based…